Thursday, September 27, 2007

Evaluation of Ron Paul

Like many people, when I first heard about Congressman Ron Paul (Texas’ 14th District) running for President, I was all for it. At the time, he seemed to be the perfect candidate – in favor of small government, wanted to reduce spending and taxes, had a lot of government experience, and from his publications, he sounded very Pro-Life.

My opinion has changed.

While some of those things are, in fact, true statements (Dr. Paul is in favor of small government, less taxes, and less spending), some of the most important reasons that I liked him as a candidate do not hold water.

Spending

First, while he does want to reduce spending, he doesn't have a practical, realistic way to achieve that. Instead, he plans to simply eliminate a lot of the departments, without looking at the huge ramifications of his actions. Just look at a few of the things he would try to shut down:

- The Internal Revenue Service

- Department of Education

- Department of Homeland Security

- Energy

- FEMA

- Interstate Commerce Commission

- The U.N.

- NATO

- NAFTA

- WTO

Whether or not these organizations are useful is not the question. The question is whether or not he has a practical way to achieve reduced spending. Simply wiping out all of those organizations without regard to the consequences would severely damage the country by suddenly eliminating a lot of the things that our country has come to rely on.

On another note, consider for a moment the sheer number of people that are employed by these organizations. While some use its size as an argument for eliminating all these departments and agencies, don’t forget that just eliminating the domestic agencies on that list puts over 270,000 people out of work.

Diplomacy/Foreign Policy

Also, consider if you will, the diplomatic problems that leaving all of these international organizations would cause. Whether or not we should have joined NATO or the U.N. is not the point here. The point is that within those organizations, we are safeguarded against foreign control by those treaties and charters (which say that any actions must be approved through our Constitutional methods first). However, if Congressman Paul had any idea of how diplomacy worked, he would know that leaving those organizations would send the worst possible message to foreign nations about the United States. It would send the message to the world that the United States, while committed to its allies in the past, was no longer interested in partnerships.

In the words of Elizabeth Jones, Assistant Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs at the State Department, before the House International Relations Committee: “NATO remains the cornerstone of transatlantic security. In the aftermath of September 11th, Allies invoked NATO’s Article 5 collective defense commitment for the first time in history. Our Allies have provided invaluable support to the anti-terrorist effort.”

Dr. Paul, however, would be eliminating this “cornerstone” of security, among other international organizations that, while they might not all increase security directly, do in fact bring the United States closer to other nations as a friends. He seems to have no concept of how the world is interconnected, and how nations in this age must have global partners in order to have security.

The issue of Iraq is another long subject, so I will not be addressing it in this post, but will write about it some other time.

Abortion

While I believe that Congressman Paul’s foreign policies and spending policies (or lack thereof) would be far too extreme, they aren’t the main reasons that I would not support him. His “social policy” is probably the worst thing that I’ve seen yet. In keeping with his idea of being a “strict Constitutionalist,” Dr. Paul would do nothing to stop abortion and to guarantee the right to life.

Ron Paul calls himself Pro-Life. However, his campaign speeches today contradict what his position has been in Congress for years. His view on abortion is that the federal government has no place in that issue. He calls it a “social policy” and says it should be left up to the states.

I am very Pro-Life. I believe that life begins at conception. This means that an unborn child is as much a human being as you are right now. They should have the same rights of Life and Liberty as you and I. If this is true, then the federal government has the same obligation to protect unborn babies as it does to say that murder is illegal.

Ron Paul believes otherwise. Rather than believing that unborn children are as valuable as any one of us, Dr. Paul apparently doesn’t think that abortion is murder. He said on January 31, 2006:

“Abortion simply is not a constitutional issue. There is not a word in the text of that document, nor in any of its amendments, that conceivably addresses abortion.” (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul301.html)

Not a word? How about Amendment 14?

“Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Due process of law? What crimes have the unborn committed? Congressman Paul may call himself Pro-Life. But if he were Pro-Life in principle and not just campaign speeches, then he would consider the unborn to be protected under the 14th Amendment along with every other person in the United States.


The question that really hammered this home for me is simple: If Ron Paul wouldn’t do anything to protect the unborn, what makes him different from anyone that doesn’t claim to be Pro-Life?

Nothing.

5 comments:

1flpete said...

Some troll just posted this HIT piece on another site.
For those Conservatives that want the truth, please visit,
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/
These are the writings and record of a true Conservative.

CaryWalker said...

I agree with you. Unlike a lot of passive skimmers of candidates, I have found Ron Paul's policies to be the worst extreme of all - giving evil a free pass on all levels.

His policies would support allowing states to pass laws that create abortion mills (violating the 14th Amendment), and would permit states to define marriage 50 ways (violating God's definition, and our country's founder's definition).

His "noninterventionalist" appeasement of terror and dismantling of the military and intelligence communities would leave us as sitting ducks for Al Qaeda. Paul is the analogy of a Chamberlain appeasing Hitler.

If Paul were in power in 1920, women would have never gotten the right to vote - because he would have rejected a new constitutional amendment.

His claims of "Constitutional principle" are false- his true guiding principle is hatred of federal government in general - he's a libertarian whose policies strongly align with democrats on both defense and social issues.

Paul's associations with 911 truthers and conspiracists, and those that blame the US for the 911 attacks, puts him in the company of nutcases like Alex Jones and moveon.org. He's singing out of the same songbook - and using the same marginalizing hate-words like "neo-con" to segregate a whole class of people with hate rhetoric (anyone supporting the war on terror).

And, watching his supporters spam the Huckabee website, cheat online polls with proxy spoofing, and generally employ deceptive and bullying tactics, just shows the character of his support. They are eerily similar to Tim McVey-types... scary in their hatred of the US govt and koolaid-like fanaticism for a man rather than authentic principle.

Paul himself does NOT stand on principle - he's actually more like a chameleon. He panders to 911 conspiracy nuts, but then publicly disavows that 911 was an "inside job" as many of his followers believe. He claims to be prolife but has one of the worst voting records of any republican on the issue.

Quote:
"From 2005-2006, Paul had just a 56 percent pro-life voting record as he voted four times against a federal law protecting teenagers from being taken to other states for secret abortions in violation of the parental notification or consent laws of their home state. He doesn't think federal law should cover abortion issues."
http://www.lifenews.com/nat3265.html

Lawrence said...

Hey Andy,

Thanks for your reasoned response to Dr. Paul's positions.

Hopefully, coming from a pro-Paul position, I will be able to satisfactorily address your contentions.
Before I begin I must confess that in each of these cases, Dr. Paul is far more qualified to discuss the issues--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul--with that said, lets begin.

First of all, you address spending.
You suggested that you too were in favor of limiting the scope and budget of government.
But then you assert that Dr. Paul wants to end a myriad of programs.
The problem, you say, is not that he would end the programs (you are clearly not ready to argue that they are beneficial in the least) but that he would end them immediately, causing harm to all who have "come to rely" on them.

I have a couple of thoughts here.
One, how is your position different from any other Republican mainstream position which suggests that decreasing spending and the size and scope of government are admirable goals, but when the practical end of that logic plays it self out (ending programs) support immediately dies?

Second, in no interview anywhere has Dr. Paul indicated that he would immediately pull the plug on these programs. In every interview that I have seen or read he recognizes that people have become dependent on some of these (welfare, social security). However, I noticed that these are programs that you specifically left off of your list.
If you are unwilling to defend the merits of these programs why would you not support a candidate willing to pull the plug?
(as a side note, I believe that your argumentation concerning the sheer number of individuals employed by each of the programs you listed is not supported by any socio-economic theory--if the individuals are a drain on society in their current status then freeing them up to be used in a more productive capacity would be advantageous for society)

The second point you addressed was diplomacy/foreign policy.
You suggested that leaving "if Congressman Paul had any idea of how diplomacy worked, he would know that leaving those organizations would send the worst possible message to foreign nations about the United States." That message, you suggest, is that we supported partnerships with foreign nations in the past but no longer do.

Far be it from me to question your understanding of foreign political diplomacy versus that of Congressman Paul, my only thought here is that you seem very committed to continued U.S. involvement in organizations that you are once again unwilling to defend ("Whether or not we should have joined NATO or the U.N. is not the point here").

Then you go even so far as to say that perhaps our involvement does not actually benefit our national security, but at the least do "in fact bring the United States closer to other nations as a friends."

This simply represents a misinterpretation of Congressman Paul's position. Of all of the candidates (Democratic or Republican) I would suggest that his position shows the most understanding of the interconnectedness of the modern world (which you rightly value). His reasons for removing our selves from NATO, the UN, and the like are that they decrease our national sovereignty and are a source of drain on our governments budget without any needful benefits.

His stance valuing free trade and peaceful, diplomatic relations with foreign nations is clear evidence of his understanding of the interconnectedness of the modern world.

The third point which you argue, and the one which you suggest is the worst thing you have seen yet, is his position on social policy--specifically abortion.

Sadly, your contempt of Dr. Paul's position here is completely unfounded in fact.

First of all, all three of us believe that life begins with conception and that, consequently, abortion is murder (you will not be able to find anything that Dr. Paul says that is contrary to this).

The problem for Dr. Paul is many faceted. For one, the Federal government maintains jurisdiction over the issue through Roe v. Wade. Dr. Paul has presented congressional bills that clearly show his opposition to abortion (Sanctity of Life Act of 2005--a bill that would have defined human life to begin at conception, and removed challenges to prohibitions on abortion from federal court jurisdiction.[102] Defining embryos and fetuses as persons would make abortion murder and outlaw fetal stem cell research and some contraception and fertility treatments.
He also introduced Paul introduced the We the People Act, which would have removed "any claim based upon the right of privacy, including any such claim related to any issue of ... reproduction" from the jurisdiction of federal courts. If made law, either of these acts would allow states to prohibit abortion.).

The problem for you seems to be that you believe that someone who is pro life should be willing to put the full force of the federal government behind his position.
That however, as Dr. Paul often points out, is a violation of the Constitution (there are no Federal laws against murder--except on federal lands--because of this exact issue). The Constitution is set up to allow the state to create all such laws and (the key issue here) to enforce them how ever they so choose.

It is Dr. Paul's firm stance against abortion (and commitment ot the Constitution) that has led him, time and again, to vote against measures that would provide for the federal funding of abortions, as well as the expenditure of federal funds for embryonic stem cell research.

The issue is not a Constitutional one, and has only become a federal one because of the Supreme Courts involvement (an affect that Dr. Paul has been working to negate).

Your strongest argument here was, I believe, your consideration of the fourteenth amendment.

The problem (and the joy) here is that we live in a construct of checks and balances. If you research pivotal abortion cases (e.g. Roe v. Wade etc.) you will find that definitions of life, and considerations of privacy and individual liberty of the mother (in other words, consideration of the 14th amendment) were the deciding factors.

In essence, the federal government currently recognizes that life begins with viability and until measures are passed, like those proposed by Dr. Paul, positive change will not be possible.

Thanks for posting your thoughts. I hope you enjoy revisiting these issues, and are able to wade through my 5am sentence structures :-).

Sincerely,

LDL

xdream said...

I think you are mistaken about the abortion issue. He said that there is nothing to support abortion in the Constitution. He believes that the Roe V Rade decision was an example of pure judicial muscle flexing. He wants it overturned. As far as cutting agencies. Well, we started them, we can stop them. The first thing any person in America understands is that they have to balance their budget. We can't print money on a color copier, and neither should the federal reserve. Our money hegemony has come to an end. We are broke.

And carywalker said:

"And, watching his supporters spam the Huckabee website, cheat online polls with proxy spoofing, and generally employ deceptive and bullying tactics, just shows the character of his support. They are eerily similar to Tim McVey-types... scary in their hatred of the US govt and koolaid-like fanaticism for a man rather than authentic principle."

One, Huckabee is for preemptive nuclear strike on Iran. Not only is this against the Geneva convention, and against Republican principals, but it is extremely evil in the Christian philosophy. Jesus said to "love your enemies", not nuke your enemies. Iran is no threat to us what so ever. We are the only threat to the middle east. We bomb, maim, burn, rape, murder, and destroy whole populations of innocent civilians. A vote for anyone other than Ron Paul (or Gravel and Kucinich), is a vote for mass murder of the worst kind.

Cheat online? Sorry buddy, only one vote per ISP. I don't even know what Proxy spoofing is... but you do. hmm... besides, did they "spam" Ron Paul with 5.2 MILLION dollars this last quarter? thats a 116% increase where that loving christian Huckabee made nothing. Rudy was down 55% from last quarter. Romney, down 29%. That's where the proof lies; in the pudding. Plus the fact that i still have on my text inbox that you can only vote once from your phone... so nice try. A christian liar. That's got to be bad for you come judgment day, huh?

and now you use ad hominem's... "scary like mcvey" who "hate their government"? Well... for one, WE the PEOPLE are the government. and we LOVE our country. We love our country so much that we don't want to see it be taken by thieves and criminals, liars, and psychopathic murderers who think that God has commissioned them to kill innocent people... which in and of itself is a lie.

we are for a man... a man that has been honest for 20 years. If that is fanatical than so be it. It's opposition is extremely disturbing in the least.

And I hate to break it to you, but the Neo-conservatives gave themselves that name. And Dr. Paul is not associated with Alex Jones because he was on his show, just as he isn't for Bill O'Reilly when he appeared on his show. Your logic is flawed. You use insults and personal attacks because of your lack of information... Ad hominem attacks just show your weak platform.

ME said...

Interesting- but just a few things to correct in the article: 1. Cutting Agencies- the guy says we need the CIA- okay, but they couldn't even stop a bunch of 3rd world Muslims from attacking us... Hmmm, so the hi-tech agencies with billions of dollars in funding couldn't find or stop villagers living in caves, even WITH FBI advanced warning... But we still ned them. Also, if we need the CIA, why do we need the NSA, DHS, DSS, DIA as well? The less efficient something gets, the LARGER you make it??? And nothing helps motivate people to do their jobs effectively like the possibility of loosing it for poor performance. 2. NATO and entangling alliances- he says that the charters for these all leave allowances for the respective nations to follow their constitutional methods. That's great- but America is no longer doing that- the President can go to war without the approval of congress, which IS unconstitutional. We are to DECLARE war. Also, who respected the NATO pact when we were attacked? All those alliances and trade agreements are detrimental to the U.S. and beneficial to all other nations. Why do we need them exactly? Has America EVER needed any one else's help or support? Even during our War for Independence, the French didn't join our side until AFTER we started winning and pretty much had the whole thing won... 3. Abortion- this man obviously has not listened to Ron Paul like he claims he has. Ron Paul ABSOLUTELY believes that life begins at conception. He is totally against abortion. But at a Federal level he has no power to control it, because there is nothing in the constitution about it. This man claims there is: Amendment 14- “Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” Yes, that is fine, BUT for this to apply you would have to DEFINE a person. Just because he says life begins at conception (which Dr. Paul and I believe); other people say it doesn't. So because he thinks it does, THAT is what makes it constitutional??? No, for this to apply there would have to be an amendment stating WHEN life begins- which I am all for. BUT until that time, it is RESERVED for the STATES to decide- as per our constitution. So for this man to so blatantly lie and misquote Dr. Paul shows that he never really did the research. And to clarify about how Ron Paul "has no plan to cut back spending"- his main goal is to eliminate the Federal Reserve system (which is as "federal" as Federal Express- it is actually a private company controlled by 12 banks) and to return us to a solid monetary system to eliminate INFLATION. If all those people who put $2000 (or whatever sum) into social security 30 years ago, were able to buy the same amount of goods for the same amount of money today, they'd be in alot better shape. But $2000 today won't go nearly as far as it would have 30 (or 40, or 90) years ago before we had the FED. As WELL as cutting taxes; AND eliminating inefficiency in government- which is the only place where it is NATURAL for inefficiency to be rewarded, promoted, and EXPANDED. In the free market- it gets CUT OUT! Ron Paul has said that instead of having committees to create new agencies (such as the Department of Homeland Security- since the CIA, NSA, DIA, DDS all FAILED) we should create committees to check the necessity and efficiency of those agencies we already have. Think of it from a business perspective- when some department is a money drain, do you keep EXPANDING IT, give it a LARGER BUDGET, and all the credit cards it wants??? It just makes common sense (which, unfortunately, has never been common).